Oh, I've certainly seen white exceptionalism, guilt, and shame in action and experienced them all to a degree. I don't think I've been driven by toxic white guilt, but I do think that I've seen examples of this on social media lately in a very overwhelming way. I think that white shame is justified and can motivate us to action in a necessary way. I was interested in the distinction in the video between being guilty and being complicit, and I think I've felt complicit before and that has motivated me not to be complicit moving forward. White guilt, in my experience, can motivate people into silence, but on the other hand, it can also motivate them into speaking up too much and crowding out voices of color. That balance can be the challenging piece of this.